LAST UPDATE 09.11.11
Gratitude to Yoshi for inspiring and encouraging the best and the worst of it. ~EX
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- It is the illusion of knowledge. ~Daniel Boorstin
(which is not always)
19 from ARABIC sources:
Semihazah; Artqoph; Ramtel; Kokabel; Ramel; Danieal; Zeqiel; Baraqel; Asael; Hermoni; Matarel; Ananel; Stawel; Samsiel; Sahriel; Tummiel; Turiel; Yomiel; Yhaddiel (Milik, p. 151).
18 from the apocryphal book of GIANTS:
7:9 These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them.
19 from the apocryphal book of ENOCH:
6:7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
CONDENSED FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES : ARMAROS
Taught men 'the resolving of enchantments,' which may mean the transformation or perfection of magic, or perhaps its dissolution.
Taught how to make swords and shields. This also applies to Gadreel,; some consider the two interchangeable. Azazel also taught how to make coloring tinctures. The name became attached to the tradition of Jewish sacrifice; see more here.
BARAQIJAL / ARAQIEL
Taught men astrology / the signs of the earth.
Taught men the knowledge of clouds.
The name means 'judge (of El).'
Introduced weapons of war to mortals. (Assisted by Azazel.)
"And the fifth was named Kasdeja: this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb..."
Taught men the science of the constellations.
In the Book of Enoch Penemue carries Enoch to heaven, yet Penemue is also listed as one of the 20 watchers in rebellion against 'God's will'. He's credited with teaching us 'the sweet from the bitter' - traditionally interpreted to mean herbology- and writing.
The name means 'thunder (of El).'
Taught men the phases and course of the moon.
Taught men the signs of the sun.
SHEMYAZA / SHEMHAZAI
The leader. It is said he now hangs between heaven and earth, head down, and is either within Orion, or literally IS the constellation Orion.
The name means 'hidden (of El).'
DRAGON'S LIST :
"Many of them have two or even three variations on their names. But here's a basic list:"
From A Dictionary of Angels, including the Fallen Angels: by Gustav Davidson 1. Abbadona (once of the order of seraphim)
2. Adramelec [Archangels]
3. Agares (Agreas) [Virtues]
4. Amezyarak (Amiziras; also alternate for Semyaza)
5. Amy (once partly of the order of powers and partly of the order of angels)
6. Anmael (identified with Semyaza)
7. Arakiel (Araqiel)
9. Ariel (once of the order of virtues)
10. Arioc(h) [Arioch]
11. Armaros (Abaros, Armers, Pharmaros)
13. Artaqifa (Arakiba)
16. Asmodeus (Sammael) [once of the order of seraphim]
17. Astaroth (once of the order of seraphim and of thrones) [Angels]
18. Astoreth (Astarte) [Angels]
19. Atarculph [Atarculphegh?]
20. Auza (Oza)
22. Azazel (once of the order of cherubim)
24. Azzael (Asael)
25. Balam (once of the order of dominations)
26. Baraqel (Barakel, Baraqijal)
27. Barbatos (once of the order of virtues)
28. Barbiel (once of the order of virtues)
30. Beelzebub (once of the order of cherubim)
31. Beliar (Belial) [once partly of the order of virtues and partly of the order of angels]
33. Byleth (Beleth) [once of the order of powers)
34. Balberith (once of the order of cherubim)
35. Caim (Caym) [once of the order of angels]
36. Carnivean (once of the order of powers)
37. Carreau (once of the order of powers)
38. Dagon [Archangels]
40. Ezekeel (Ezequeel)
41. Flauros (Hauras)
42. Gaap (once of the order of potentates) [Powers]
44. Gressil (once of the order of thrones)
46. Hananel (Ananel)
47. Harut (Persian)
48. Iblis (Eblis, Haris) (Mohammedan Satan) [According to the Qur’an Iblis is a Jinn not an Angel]
49. Ielahih (once of the order of virtues)
50. Invart (once of the order of angels)
54. Lauiah (Lauviah) (once partly of the order of thrones and partly of the order of cherubim)
55. Leviathan (once of the order of seraphim)
56. Lucifer (often, but erroneously, identified as Satan)
57. Mammon [Thrones]
58. Marchosias (once of the order of dominations)
59. Marut (Persian)
60. Mephistopheles [Archangel]
62. Moloch (Moloc) [Archangel]
64. Murmur (once partly of the order of thrones and partly of the order of angels
65. Nelchael (once of the order of thrones)
66. Nilaihah (once of the order of dominations)
67. Oeillet (once of the order of dominations)
68. Olivier (once of the order of archangels)
69. Ouzza (Usiel)
70. Paimon (Paymon) (once of the order of dominations)
72. Procell (once of the order of powers)
73. Pursan (Curson) [once of the order of virtues]
74. Raum (Raym) [once of the order of thrones]
75. Rimmon [Archangel]
76. Rosier (once of the order of dominations)
77. Rumael (Ramiel or Remiel)
78. Sammael (Satan, Asmodeus)
83. Sealiah (once of the order of virtues)
84. Semyaza (Shemhazai, Azaziel) [once of the order of seraphim)
85. Senciner (once partly of the order of virtues and partly of the order of powers) [Virtues]
88. Sonneillon (once of the order of thrones)
90. Thammuz [Archangel]
95. Usiel (Uzziel) [once of the order of virtues]
96. Verrier (once of the order of principalities)
97. Verrine (once of the order of thrones)
98. Vual (Vvall) [once of the order of powers]
Belphegor (Baal-Peor) [once of the order of principalities)
"So just how many books recount Enoch and the events/angels/Nephilim...
Old testament/Hebrew Scripture
Jubilees - speaks of Enoch, his book, his work, the fall of the angels with women, teachings of the angels, Nephillim, flood, etc
Genesis (taken from Jubilees) – in summary talks of the angels descent to Earth, marrying women, Nephilim, the Flood etc.
The Testament of Solomon (the full text) - speaks very specifically about the Nephillim demons and the fact that they are the result of mortal woman and angelic fathers
Yalquet Genesis - mentions the angels Azael (aka Azazel/A’siel) and Shemhazai upon their descent to Earth to marry women)
Bereshit Rabbati - also concerning Azael and Shemhazai
Leviticus - again speaks of Azazel, as the scapegoat, now also of man’s sins, where a goat was to be sent out to him in the wilderness. This is the basis for the practice still conducted today in Judaism as the ‘Day of Atonement’ or ‘Yom Kippur’….now minus the goat.
The Dead Sea Scrolls - contains the Enoch text plus the Book of Watchers/Giants which technically is a separate book
Apocalypse of Abraham - speaks of Azazel, one of the angels given full blame (he specifically was considered the worst of the lot) bound in the wilderness as depicted in Enoch as a scapegoat for the other angels, as an evil angel bound in hell, whose dwelling place was now Earth instead of Heaven by his choosing.
Jude – The fall of the angels and actually quotes a portion of the Book of Enoch
Hebrews – Enoch’s ascent into Heaven
(The book of) Revelation also makes it would seem an aftermath mention of the account of the punishment and release of the angels bound."
"SEE ALSO" :al-Tabari, The History of Prophets and Kings (10th century.; translated by Rosenthal) 1.83
Before committing disobedience, Iblis was one of the angels. His name was Azazil
al-Hallaj, Tawasin (Ta’ Sin al-Azal) (10th century.; translated by Massignon/Mason) ch. VI
Azazil’s states of consciousness have been the subject of many theories. One says that he was entrusted to preach both in heaven and on earth. That in heaven, he preached to the angels by showing them good works; and that on earth, he preached to men by showing them bad actions (to test them)…
BerRabbati ad Gen 6:2
Shemhazai begat two children, whose names were Heyya and Aheyya
"Azazel is the titanic fire-bearer and the goat headed blacksmith of the Nephilimic Witchcraft, who in accordance with the luciferic impulse brought forbidden gnosis to the slumbering humanity, and woke to life the inner black flames of the elect. Azazel and Shamyaza were, as told in the apocryphal book of Enoch, the leaders of the order of angels called The Watchers. These angels chose to break free from the stagnating causality and the bounds of the demiurge, and instead followed their own acausal essence and acted in accordance with the will of Lucifer..."
(M. Blavatsky : )
"May we not then be permitted to drag the deep rivers of the Past, and thus bring to the surface the root idea that led to the transformation of the Wisdom-God, who had first been regarded as the creator of everything that exists, into an Angel of Evil -- a ridiculous horned biped, half goat and half monkey, with hoofs and a tail? We need not go out of the way to compare the pagan demons of either Egypt, India, or Chaldea with the devil of Christianity, for no such comparison is possible. But we may stop to glance at the biography of the Christian Devil, a piratical reprint from the Chaldeo-Judaean mythology: --"
(Rupert Sheldrake : )
"I think that Aquinas was trying to think as logically and as rationally as he could about what it would mean to be a being with no mass which could yet move and act. If you think in those terms, I suppose you come to rather similar conclusions as people like Einstein and other pioneers in the present century, when they were thinking about relativity and quantum theory. You're sort of driven to very similar conclusions. Einstein's photons of light have remarkable parallels to Aquinas's discussions of the movements of angels. And I think it's because they were starting from similar premises. And thinking in a similarly logical way about the consequences."
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:22 pm Post s
subject: Fallen Angels
"The following list is of traditional fallen angel names gathered from different religions, mythologies and lore. These angel names are of those angels considered to be of a bad nature and not good angel names."
Abaddon - fallen angel of death whose name means "to destroy."
Abezethibou - one-winged Red Sea fallen angel.
Allocen - fallen angel who is a duke in hell.
Amduscias - name of the fallen angel who appears as a unicorn.
Amon - fallen angel who is a strong marquis over 40 legions.
Amy - name of a fallen angel who is a president in hell.
Andras - fallen angel marquis and appears raven-headed.
Andrealphus - fallen angel who can transform humans into birds.
Andromalius - fallen angel who appears as a man holding a serpent.
Apollyon - fallen angel of death; same as Abaddon.
Armaros - fallen angel who teaches the "resolving of enchantments."
Asmoday - fallen angel king with three heads: a bull, a ram, and a man.
Asmodeus - one of the most evil of fallen angels, being an archdemon.
Astaroth - fallen angel who is a grand duke in hell.
Azael - evil, fallen angel who cohabited with women.
Azazel - fallen angel whose name means "God strengthens."
Azza - fallen angel whose name means "the strong."
Baal - fallen angel whose name means "the lord."
Balam - fallen angel who looks like Asmoday with a serpent tail.
Balberith - fallen angel who is a grand pontiff in hell.
Baraqijal - fallen angel who teaches astrology.
Barbatos - fallen angel who is a great count, earl and duke of hell.
Bathin - pale horse riding fallen angel.
Beelzebub - fallen angel known as the "prince of demons."
Behemoth - fallen angel who is the "demon of the deep."
Beleth - fallen angel who is a terrible king over 85 legions.
Belial - deceptively beautiful fallen angel whose name means "without worth."
Belphegor - fallen angel whose name means "lord of opening."
Berith - fallen angel...
Bernael - fallen angel of darkness and evil.
Bifrons - fallen angel that appears monstrous and teaches mathematical arts.
Botis - fallen angel who appears as a viper.
Buer - fallen angel who teaches philosophy, logic and ethics.
Bune - fallen angel who appears as a dragon with three heads.
Caim - fallen angel who appears as a thrush or man with a sword.
Dantanian - fallen angel who appears as a man with many faces.
Decarabia - fallen angel who appears as a star in a pentacle.
Eligor - fallen angel who appears as a good knight with lance.
Enepsigos - fallen angel who appears in the shape of woman.
Flauros - fallen angel who appears as a leopard.
Focalor - fallen angel who appears as a man with griffin wings.
Forcas - fallen angel who teaches logic and ethics.
Forneus - fallen angel marquis who appears as a sea monster.
Furcas - fallen angel who appears as a cruel man with long beard.
Furfur - fallen angel who appears as a hart with a fiery tail.
Gaap - fallen angel who appears as a man with bat wings.
Gadreel - fallen angel whose name means "God is my helper."
Gamygyn - fallen angel who appears as a small horse.
Glasyalabolas - fallen angel who appears as a winged dog.
Gomory - fallen angel who appears as a camel riding woman of beauty.
Gusion - fallen angel who can discern the past, present or future.
Hagenti - fallen angel who appears as a bull with griffin wings.
Halpas - fallen angel who appears as a stork.
Imamiah - fallen angel who governs voyages.
Ipos - fallen angel who appears as an angel with a lion's head.
Kokabiel - fallen angel whose name means "star of God."
Kunopegos - fallen angel who appears as a sea horse and sinks ships.
Lahash - fallen angel who interferes with divine will.
Lerajie - fallen angel who appears as an archer in green.
Leviathon - fallen angel associated with the deep seas.
Lillith - fallen female angel who searches for children to kidnap or kill.
Lix Tetrax - fallen angel of the wind.
Lucifer - actually a Babylonian king whose name means "bearer of light."
Malpas - fallen angel who appears as a crow.
Marbas - fallen angel who appears as a lion.
Marchosias - fallen angel who appears as a she-wolf with griffin wings.
Mastema - fallen angel whose name means "hostility."
Mephistopheles - fallen angel; name means "he who loves not the light."
Morax - fallen angel who appears as a bull.
Naamah - fallen angel of prostitution whose name means "pleasing."
Naberius - fallen angel who appears as a crowing cock.
Obyzouth - fallen angel femal who kills newborns and cause still-births.
Onoskelis - female fallen angel who lives in caves and perverts men.
Orias - fallen angel who appears as a lion with serpent's tail.
Ornias - fallen angel who is annoying and can shape-shift.
Orobas - fallen angel who appears as a horse.
Ose - fallen angel who appears as a leopard and is a president in hell.
Paimon - fallen angel who appears as a crowned man on a camel.
Penemuel - fallen angel who corrupts mankind through writing.
Pharzuph - fallen angel of fornication and lust.
Phoenix - fallen angel who appears as a phoenix bird.
Procel - fallen angel who can speak of hidden and secret things.
Purah - fallen angel of forgetfulness and the conjuring of the dead.
Purson - fallen angel who appears as a lion-headed man on a bear.
Qemuel - fallen angel who was destroyed by God.
Rahab - fallen angel of pride whose name means "violence."
Raum - fallen angel who appears as a crow.
Ronobe - fallen angel who is a monster who teaches rhetoric and art.
Ruax - headache fallen angel.
Sabnack - fallen angel who appears as a soldier with lion's head.
Saleos - fallen angel who appears as a soldier on a crocodile.
Samael - evil fallen angel whose name means "the blind God."
Satan - christian fallen angel whose name means "adversary."
Seere - fallen angel who appears as a man on a winged horse.
Semyaza - fallen angel leader and one of the Sons of God.
Shax - fallen angel who appears as a stork; stealer of money.
Solas - fallen angel who appears as a raven and teaches astronomy.
Sorath - fallen angel to some whose number is 666.
Sytry - fallen angel; appears as a man with griffin wings and leopard head.
Uzza - fallen angel whose name means "strength."
Valac - fallen angel who appears as a small boy with wings on a dragon.
Valefor - fallen angel who appears as a many-headed lion.
Vapula - fallen angel who is skilled in handicrafts, science and philosophy.
Vassago - fallen angel who discovers all things lost or hidden.
Vepar - fallen angel who appears as a mermaid.
Vine - fallen angel and appears as a lion sitting on a black horse.
Vual - fallen angel who appears as a huge camel.
Wormwood - fallen angel who brings plagues upon the Earth.
Xaphan - fallen angel who fires the fires of hell.
Zagan - fallen angel who can transform things; looks like a bull with wings.
Zepar - fallen angel who makes women love men.
-EX, JUL 2011 AD
Like anyone else, my mind tries to grasp the concept of the Watchers by defining them in terms I can comprehend. My studies give these definitions ever-broadening shape and focus. But these shapes have remained, frustratingly, human-centric and limited. And I'm painfully aware that this is in essence an exercise in transcending my own narrow, human concepts.
For me, to grasp the concept of the Watchers fully, it is necessary to move past the idea of damnation and salvation. It is imperative to release the idea of sin, and reclaim the control we were given when we made the choice to live as civilized beings. It's narrow enough in scope, this control, given that we exist in perpetual cooperation with forces much larger than ourselves both individually and as a species. But it is after all the very point of creating civilization.
This is the root of the dichotomy of their story - divine beings who civilize humanity and at the same time somehow divide humanity from divinity. The flow of nature is not the flow of civilization. This impulse to deviate from that pattern, to build walled cities and fly like birds, to walk on other worlds and understand the subatomic structure of reality, has been called Luciferic. We each of us contain it and our world today is shaped by it. Anthropocenic Man has risen nearly to the level of godhood through the ever refined practice of the doctrines taught long, long ago. Supposedly, by the Watchers.
Religion has condemned the Luciferic. But that is the impulse that has given us civilization. Think: Sumer, then New York. From the simple to the complex. Law, then Legislation. Our Luciferian desire to control our universe rather than having the universe control us has brought us to our current state.
And so that I'm clear: the only alternative to civilization is to revert to life as beasts of the field. Even the most primitive societies are a result of the Luciferian impulse. They are civilized, apart from nature, distinct. Without Sumer there is no New York.
But ultimately, I don't believe we required outside help to go from monkeys to men. I do believe it's possible that it may have occured, but I don't believe in our own inability to evolve without it. I believe in mankind's ability to invent himself and create all the civilization needed to do so. The Watchers are different facets of the civilizing force; different faces of our own inner Luciferic spirit.
While I may use pantheons as tools in my own undertakings, I have a hard time believing in gods per se, though in these culturally quantum times, with its nearly inconceivable scope, it's becoming easier. The realities of a multi-dimensional universe force me to admit to the possibility of living beings who exist in a universe with access to those dimensions closed to humans. They would indeed be gods in our eyes if we could see them.
Persistence of the smaller concepts of 'angel's vs 'demons' frustrates me though. I understand that the lingering stereotypes and concepts forged by Mother Culture (exercises in crowd control, really) are just products of my own inability to rise to the larger definition that transcends dichotomies.
As far as I'm concerned, that is the point.
-EX, JAN 2010 AD
I have been asked by a number of people for help with working with the Ir, or Watchers. Some have requested good sources of information, others have literally asked me how I do whatever it is I do. I'm reluctant to say anything really, because the process has been very personal, and the elements I've used have been chosen based on what I know about myself, what works and doesn't work for my personal psyche. What works for me might not work for anyone else, and it's a delicate thing, dancing along the razor's edge of obsession and imagination. Naturally it helps tremendously to have a deep and rich background - with lots of experience - in the occult, but it is not a failsafe no matter what the books may tell you. Nobody can gauge the relative strength or weakness of anyone's personal psychic landscape but the person doing the work themselves, and it is all too easy to fool ourselves into thinking this stuff has no effect on us other than what we desire... that's bullocks and anyone who disagrees had damned well better watch their step.
I've been working with angelic magick for a few years now, focusing almost entirely on the 'fallen' angels of Enochian lore. I've done a fair amount of this with four of them, sometimes as much as six or seven, with the chosen four as a sort of foundation for the work and the others as additional aspects to round out the working. In many respects it differs greatly from the angelic magick most occultists are familiar with : this isn't about protection or dominance or even about getting the angelic hordes to reveal secrets. In fact it's much closer to the Holy Guardian Daemon workings found in Golden Dawn and post-GD treatises (including much of Crowley's work) - but only inasmuch as it involves integration in the psyche of those elements we consider 'higher functions' in order to cause complete alignment with Will. The desired result of my workings have almost all been about the greater mass of humanity, with myself as the first specimen in the petry dish.
Interestingly I have found that this works just as well as other magickal methods I've tried (and better than some!). The results of the work appear to be a matter of synchronicity rather than coincidence, as the liklihood of the events occuring has been slim to poor, yet the results have been there consistently. It's this consistency that gave me the confidence to continue. What's even more pointed is that it doesn't seem to matter how skeptical I am, the results show up anyway.
In keeping with my rather chaot-ic tendencies I have retained the elements that seemed most important and stripped away those that didn't seem to matter at all, paring the working down as I went. Simpler is better for the formative mind, and that is primarily what I draw upon.
As I've said elsewhere it was a struggle for me to initiate the proceedings because the language of angelic magick (including imagery, context, and background mythos) is so very christianized. It obscures the underlying psychology almost entirely, and if one has an aversion to such christianized things, makes progress more complicated and frankly requires one to at least temporarily be willing to make peace with it. It might almost be easier if one is an atheist. What helped me most was placing the angelic beings in the context of ancient teachings beginning with the myths of Sumer, and only acknowledging the importance of the Christian religion in keeping the lore itself alive. I've had the back door of psychology (dealing with archetypes mainly) to help me along. In fact it's that psychological construct that enabled me to reach the 'Eureka!' moment of 2005 where an actual manifestation took place. So powerful was this experience that the next morning I extracted a promise from my covenmates of the time that they would not lock me up in a rubber room for saying I was seeing and hearing things!
It also really helps to have a sense of humor. They certainly do. Can you laugh at yourself? If not, you might as well go back to Wicca 101.
-EX, DEC 2007 AD
I first began working seriously with the Watchers back in 2004. Prior to that I had to overcome my own prejudice against the very topic. It wasn't easy. Mother culture had taught me that angels are fluffy winged and haloed fantasy creatures.Obviously, this is a misconception (and that's putting it nicely).What they are remains to be seen by those who follow the bunnytrail left down the centuries and millenia. It seems the further we go, the more questions we have, and what answers we thought we had disappear rapidly as the rabbit hole approaches.If successfully pondered by we mehums, the idea of 'immortality' bends and twists away from our conventional thinking. It also begs the question of what changes a Watcher might have gone through over such long spans of time. Whether seen as egregores -concepts held by many and hence holding a charge, making them effectively as real as you or I- or as creatures who came to Earth long ago and never quite left, change has occured and will occur again, to every thing that exists. Watchers are no exception to this single immutable law of the universe.So I have put aside all arguments about the origins of references in ancient tomes, about where they came from, what they looked like, whether they could or should be considered aliens or remnants of long-passed antediluvian cultures or simply non- physical emanations of the thoughts of god. True to my nature, I am much more concerned with what the Watchers are today.In my efforts I have found certain things to be helpful.
Study is certainly the foremost of activities when it comes to the occult. There is a wealth of material available to us in this modern age -- though it cannot pinpoint origins it can point the way toward a more personal sort of revelation. Utilizing what we have as tools - dreamwork, trancework, and meditation - coupled with an increasing knowledge base from the sources and commentaries thereon, has yielded my best results to date.Each of the references above (book of Enoch, Book of Giants, Jubilees, Revelation of St. John, etc) is worthy of your attention if you haven't read them yet. There are others that are also worthwhile, that can open new avenues of thinking. Don't be afraid to explore the darker realms while you're at it, I have found some of the most articulate speculations there. Such is the subject matter that one could truthfully say one is reading about one's own most intimate inner psychology.No-one I've spoken to who has engaged in this work believes that angels are the fluffy winged and haloed New Age creatures of popular depiction. In fact none of them believes they are anthropomorphic in any way. (Obviously, I don't hang with the Reptilians.) Once upon a time is dead - welcome to the living world, where the Watchers are encountered in subtle, trans-physical ways.
(the Marriott Interview)
"So what do you think of the Watchers? Who are they? Or, what. And while we're at it, how'd you go about learning what you know?" (sh)"What do I think of .... well, first of all there's no proof that anything of the kind existed. Just what we read, here and there. And that can be interpreted, right?"So it all depends on your pov I guess.""Some writers put it down to ET interference in human evolution, maybe jump-starting it, maybe contaminating it, maybe they're our creators, and that's why all the stories point to the Heavens, or outerspace, yanno. Others are sold on the idea that this was a pre-historic, pre-Ice Age civilization that was destroyed, except for a few and those few became the Gods of the new world after the Big Thaw... It seems to me that either approach has its advantages and until suppressed archeology and scientific findings are released and widely circulated, we're doomed to live on a flat planet, sort of.
"Nothing came before, nothing worthy..."
"But you know, SOMEthing was here before. And the evidence says our current version of history is all fucked up. And the real story, still just a story mind you, well there are these tiny slivers of evidence, fairly logical (given the evidence, such as it is), and yet, none of it may be true. That's very very important to remember."There is value in the tale, plenty of it. It's out of skew with how the world thinks, it makes us question what we think we know... and it points to serious flaws in our beliefs and knowledge. We are lightyears from knowing anything, really, but we tell ourselves we know... because of where we're at, we have to rely on imperfection, and at some point cast that aside as well and go for Gnosis."So to speak about it, to explore it, first you have to suspend disbelief. And then, get past the usual stereotypes and demonizing of the priests. They don't like sharing power and these stories are all about power."...Shemyaza the ringleader. Azazel who became our Xtian devil. They are one and the same depending on the source of the story..."...Having said that, yes I have called on both of these ...things, using both names, independantly and together. And they come across as independant of eachother, not the same at all. By that I mean the energies are decidedly different, the vibrations of the names are completely different, like two different people. And per the stories ... they are listed separately, despite their descriptives being largely the same."Of course, evocation and invocation being what they are, I'm inclined to say it's pulling from two different parts of my psyche, and yet it's still one psyche. I leave it at that. (laughing) Not helpful really, except to put that back door in."Poignancy versus pathos- Azazel is all fire, fiery damnation, massive momentum. That is what I sense. Maybe the best way to explain it is in terms of egregores - Azazel has a LOT more energy behind it than Shemyaza, who is less known. And Shemyaza is the one who repents. Regrets."It's a moral tale of course, or became one in the hands of the priests, which is unfortunate. It means there's at least two or three layers of Patriarchy on top of that thinly disguised Matriarchal worldview of women being the recipients of the 'gifts' of the Fallen. Which means you gotta dig deep to get to the Root Consciousness of it. Most people can't be bothered. They want it all served up nice and pretty between the covers of a book. Well, that book has yet to be published, I think. I don't want to wait. I've never been one to take the hard road if the book's available, but if it ain't I sure as shit ain't waiting. I dive in and dig deep myself, thankyouverymuch."Which is my way of saying if you really want to understand the Watchers, the Fallen, angels demons Shemhazai and all the rest, you'd better be prepared to move directly away from what you think you know, your attachment to sanity and level-headedness, and be prepared to get your hands dirty."
Seraphim are the original fallen angels.